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Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 02:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Arian Snow on 15/08/2006 02:32:33 Buying Game Time Codes for isk makes no sense at all. All it serves is to undermine the economy in eve, promote farming and macromining and causing inflation! Its plain wrong and it makes no sense whatsoever that CCP allows this, no sense at all! I know thread have been made about this allready, but in my opinion the more the better! NO SENSE I TELL YA' I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 03:08:00 - [2] Quote: "All it serves is to undermine the economy in eve" How? It does not create or destroy ISK. It has crushed the RL value of the formerly larger Ebay trade by a factor of 12-15 times. There are no fixed ammount of isk in EVE! "GTC for ISK" promotes farming of isk to pay for your character those isk underminde the economy and creates inflation!!! Its like printing money in RL... its bad, just look at Post WW1 germany! Quote: "promotes farming and macromining" If anything, it discourages the farmers and macrominers from playing. Their market, Ebay, has crashed to unsustainable profit levels and they have largely moved on to other games. And it has had the MAJOR bonus of not getting IGE or Yantis interested in Eve. Their MO, of persuading corp/alliance leaders to sell corp/alliance funds would be especially disruptive in Eve. What prevents those people from selling GTC they bought for ISK? Quote: "causing inflation" There has, provably, has been no inflation as a result of it. The goods you use to track inflation (basic goods, T1 in this case) have not soared in price. They remain fluctiating quite evenly to mineral price levels. Ebay unchecked tends to cause at least mild inflation, on the other hand. There are plenty of very good reasons to allow it, and plenty of players who pay entirely via it, especially given the degenerating service from pay by cash, and the fact that CCP's own payment processor only takes credit cards and a few debit cards. You're ranting against a chimera which you have created, not the actual situation. No I have created no such thing. Prices for some items have soared, Tech2 namely, you cannot track inflation just by looking at basic goods. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 03:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Arian Snow on 15/08/2006 03:36:48 Again, Dont farmers just get GTC for isk then sell those for $ on Ebay then? ... You dont need alot of isk to stay competetive in Eve.. I am a father of small kiddoes and have a demanding job, and I manage just fine. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 04:20:00 - [4] We get it, you're poor IRL as well as ingame. /oh was that insensitive? No no not at all ... I just dont like to confuse RL with the game ... make whatever conclusions you will about my RL economy it will not slight me i the least! Isk for Dollars, is what GTC for Isk is... its that simple really. I dont like what it does for gameplay It has never been a good thing in any mmorpg to use RL money as currency which is what this really is about. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 04:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Dahin I want to see peoples reactions when they finally meet an enemy that will outspend them in war efforts and win just because of GTC's. I don't say thay isk will win you a war, but it's more than enough to tip the balance on many occasions. There are many people out there with silly amounts of $, and they are given a way to project that power in the game. When you see that, you realize this is no longer a game. And don't even go saying "noone would spend loads of $ for isk", because it has both happened in many occasions and as you all know by now eve can turn into a mania for some people. As people can spend thousands of $ for a ski resort week, they can easily spend that much money (if they easily afford it) for bbq'ing you in eve. You have it right! My point exactly. By endorsing isk for GTC (i.e dollars) you also promote it. One day it can have the effect that CCP will have to change the game mechanics due to this, effectively taking the 'play' out of the game. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 04:49:00 - [6] Edited by: Arian Snow on 15/08/2006 04:54:59 Originally by: DuckM4n Vo To the OP, if you are going to make assertions back them up! If you cared to read my posts you will see that there is plenty of resoning to my claims! reasoning as in sense! Also in this game you can fly a frigate and be a deadly adversary if you bothered to gang up. So the excuse some people make that they need to pay dollars for isk doesnt hold up. You dont need 300million isk ships! Those should be a reward for those putting an effort into actually playing the game (I dont own any imo.) I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 05:08:00 - [7] If you playing the game selling isk for dollars is ruining it then I have no sympathy. There are other games to play online with no monthly fee's I.e Guildwars... So dont whine to me about the monthly fee. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 18:09:00 - [8] Well the problem with buying BPO's for RL money through GTC, is that people can actually make it an investment so that the billions of isk you make on such a BPO you can sell for dollars, that is unhealthy... actually the whole idea of BPO's is very badly implemented as is high sec mining and complexes. I really hope that it changes with Kali! At the current rate which is aprox 90-100M isk for a 30Day GTC it actually pays to make those money in RL, and exchange them for ISK (about 30min work time for me)... this isn't a very satisfactory way to play the game but it can be done, and there are allways weaklings aplenty who succumbs to such tempations! Its a game this! The 13$ you pay each month is to keep the game afloat and that should be it! You make what you can ingame it should be a closed economy, its also much more interesting that way. With GTC for isk you make a giant festering wound in the world of eve where RL sickness pours in every day. Offcourse game mechanics need to change to discourage farmers selling their isk on ebay and the like, as it is now its too easy to farm isk! But hey as long as CCP makes money doing this why should they stop it!? With GTC for isk they have chosen the easy road. For integritys sake and for the sake of a future where Eve is still a game of harmless fun and not some perveted virtual world where RL money dictates the order of the day! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 20:57:00 - [9] To pay for more than one account is fine by me! If you used your second account to supplement you gaming experience I have no problem with it! As Eve is now however you have too big an advantage having more than one account if you exploit it. And we all know of the rotten people who does exactly that. Secondary accounts can be used for farming isk, low sec mining fx. Then they can be used to train up chars which you sell for isk which again can be used to buy GTC... All endorsed by CCP thus promoting it! Things need to change, and I understand you perfectly when you lash out against multiple account holders! But its really CCP which need to change their official attitude towards this and change gamemechanics to counter the misuse of multiple accounts. Multiple account policy does seem unfair to those with only one account who just want to play the game! You cannot rely on peoples integrity in online gaming, and it doesn't take many rotten apples to infect the whole basket. Its CCPs responsibility to remove those apples. RL money dont belong in any online games economy as it takes the game out of it! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.15 23:57:00 - [10] My previous response was for "Alessar Kaldorei"! Isk for Dollars is a bad concept as it pollutes the gaming environment, I have allways thought this since I played my first MMORPG. I think its very sad that CCP actually endorse it. In a player driven economy such as Eves the introduction of dollars into the economy pollutes it! Simple as that. I dont like what it does to the game one bit, period. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!

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